On this episode Susan Guthrie, Esq. speaks with Coach, Podcast Host and the Author of "Soar," Pamela Savino, on a topic perfectly timed for the tough times that can occur in divorce and on a broader scope, are occuring in the world at large as COVID, societal unrest and financial difficulties create stress and strain in our lives every day.  Pam's decision to move through the tough times in her divorce by stepping into her own authentic life will inspire you and help you as you face your own challenging times!

A few years back, Pam Savino and her husband decided to divorce.  As she shares in her wonderful book, Soar, there was nothing "bad" happening, but the relationship was not working for either of them.  The news left friends and family shocked as they were that picture postcard perfect family who "had it all" but they knew that it was the right choice for them.  That is not to say that the divorce was not full of tough times, there were plenty, and Pam shares several stories that may sound very familiar to you such as telling the kids, dealing with the 'til death do us part issue and keeping the divorce a secret from everyone until the time was right.  Pam's lessons on leaving behind the life that society and other people tell you is right, and stepping into your own authentic self, perhaps for the very first time, is the true path through the hard times ahead to a a happier and more fulfilled life!

Some highlights from this episode:

  • Find out how Pam, and not her attorney, "drove the bus" in the divorce process and how Pam found the strength to make those "big decisions." (7:35)
  • What does "living authentially" mean for Pam and why does she think it is the key to getting through those tough moments in divorce and in life?  (9:17)
  • Where does the shift from inauthentic to authentic living happen?  (11:50)
  • Why does Pam say that in the challenging moments that is when we find our greatness? (15:45)
  • Why were the first 15 seconds of telling the kids about the divorce the most important? (20:20)
  • What is a "soul contract" and how did it help Pam to explain the divorce to her daughter? (27:00)
  • The questions to ask yourself to "reframe" your tough moments: (35:40)

          What am I meant to learn from this?

          How can I allow this experience to become a better person?

          Instead of choosing hate or anger, how can I choose compassion?

There are just so many moments in our life where change, difficulty and adversity make us stronger and help us to define what is truly authentic for our own lives so take a listen today and let Pam help you to find your way to your AUTHENTIC LIFE!

More About This Week's GuestPamela Savino is pursuing her spiritual calling with an unparalleled fervor. She relentlessly helps others find their voice, speak their truth, and live authentically via several modalities.  She is the founder of Live Authentically, a life-coaching business, author of SOAR, and she recently started a podcast called the Live Authentically show, whose guests include other people who are also committed to playing a role in raising collective consciousness and helping people discover the essence of who they are. She is also an advocate for plant-based eating and partners with others to spread the plant-based message internationally.

Her wish for everyone in this world is that we all live deeply fulfilling and authentic lives. Achieving this goal often requires radical change, and she is vowing to embody, embrace and model this change to inspire others to find their own voice and leave this world a better place than we found it.

 You can find out more about Pam's coaching, group workshops and podcast on her website:  www.liveauthentically.today.

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For more information on Attorney Beth McCormack, who represented Pam, wrote the forward to "Soar" and who is one of the leading divorce attorneys in Chicago (and one of Susan's favorite people) you can read about her here:  http://www.beermannlaw.com/attorneys/beth-f-mccormack/   Beth will be a guest on an upcoming episode of The Divorce & Beyond Podcast - COMING SOON!!


SUSAN GUTHRIE, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond Podcast, is nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country.  She is one of the Co-Chair's of the American Bar Association's DR Section Mediation Committee and is the Founder of Divorce in a Better Way which provides a curated selection of resources and information for those facing divorce and other life changes. Find out more at www.divorceinabetterway.com.



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